Did They Die Trying to Talk to Aliens? (The Lead Masks Case)

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_00]: The summers in Brazil are short, hot, wet and cloudy.

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And Niterói is no exception.

[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Jorge da Costa was stuck in the humidity as he walked through the town on his way home.

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_00]: He stopped to catch his breath and glanced at the mountaintop.

[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_00]: There were two men at the top and he couldn't see very well, but it seemed like they

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_00]: were wearing suits.

[00:00:24] [SPEAKER_00]: It was strange.

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_00]: This was not the kind of day you wanted to hike up Vintém Hill.

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_00]: But he shrugged and kept walking home.

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Three days later, the sun was shining and the skies were clear.

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_00]: This was the perfect day to head up to the mountain.

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So Jorge grabbed his kite and headed out.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_00]: The breeze was gone and his kite just dropped.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_00]: As he stood in the still heat, a rotting smell attacked his senses.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Jorge followed the scent, wondering why it was so bad.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And as he walked, he saw his kite on the ground.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So he reached to grab it, but the smell became unbearable.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Holding his breath, he looked up and found the cause of the odor.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_00]: There were two men, laying on the ground.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_00]: They looked like they were asleep.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Because of the smell, Jorge knew that they were dead.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But finding the men wasn't the strange part of all this.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Jorge saw that the two men were both in black suits.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And so he realized these were the men that he saw during the storm three days ago.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_00]: When he realized this, he was shocked.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So he just left his kite and ran down the mountain straight to the local police station.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And today's story will dive into one of the strangest stories of a potential alien encounter.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Despite all these years, it still remains a mystery.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Can you help figure it out?

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_00]: My name is Edwin.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And here's a horror story.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_00]: By the time Jorge got to the station, it was too late for them to go back to Vintim Hill.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Detectives walked up the next morning and they were met with the same scene that Jorge stumbled upon.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Two men, each wearing a black suit on the ground.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Each was laying on their back right next to each other.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Their arms behind their heads.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_00]: They were homemade lead masks next to them.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_00]: The masks were featureless.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_00]: There were no holes to be able to look through them.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And they were made, again, of lead.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Confused about what they were seeing, police searched the men's pockets and the men had letters in there in a language no one understood.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_00]: There were charts covered in mathematical formulas, a handkerchief, two receipts and a note.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_00]: The note wasn't much help and left detectives even more confused.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It only said, 4 30 p.m. Be at the designated location.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: 6 30 p.m. Take capsules. After effect, protect metals. Wait for mask signal.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Mask signal? Metals?

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_00]: The bodies seemed to be releasing radiation and the grass all around them was dead.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So if you were to stumble upon a scene like this, you would agree.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It made no sense.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_00]: But through regular old police work the identity of the men was discovered.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_00]: They were Miguel Jose Viana and Manuel Pereira da Cruz.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_00]: They were long life friends, both from humble families and both very hard workers.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_00]: They were both married but only Miguel had children.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: They were both electricians and both were from Campos dos Goitacases,

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_00]: which is about four hours away from the mountaintop in Niteroi.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Finding out who the men in the masks were was probably the easiest part of the case.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_00]: After this, investigators needed to know why two humble, hard-working family men were found dead.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Four hours away from their home.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_00]: As you'll soon see, looking for answers proved to be difficult.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Investigators were met with strange discovery after strange discovery.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_00]: On the morning of August 17, 1966, Miguel and Manuel each left their home for the last time.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Manuel's wife didn't question him when he said he was heading to

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Sao Paulo to buy a car with Miguel.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Neither did Miguel's wife but his sister did.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Why would you go buy a car so far away? It's much cheaper to find a car here.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Miguel hesitated but he told her something else.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_00]: He said that he was going to go find out the truth,

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_00]: that this experiment would change everything.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: But he refused to say anything else.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And that was true. The men didn't go to Sao Paulo.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_00]: They got on a bus together headed to Niteroi and hours later they got off the bus and went

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_00]: into a store. That's where they bought matching raincoats.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Then they walked into a bar together but only asked for water.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Miguel was nervous and kept staring at his watch.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: The bartender handed them the receipts and their water bottles.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_00]: She watched as they pocketed the receipts and walked out.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_00]: They seemed like an odd pair and like they were in a rush.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Miguel and Manuel headed up Bintim Hill and reached the top near the evening.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_00]: The rain was pouring and no one was around.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_00]: At least no one of the two men could see.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Because remember, down below 18-year-old Jorge da Costa was speed walking home.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And Jorge was the last person to see them.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: They died some time after this.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Along with the cryptic note, the receipts for water, the documents, masks and handkerchief,

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_00]: police found out that the men had almost $3,000 with them.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_00]: A small amount was missing.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe this was a motivation for their death?

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: But things didn't add up.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Neither Miguel nor Manuel had any physical injuries.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And even one investigator wondered, what if maybe they died from a heart attack?

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_00]: But this, just like other parts of the case, made no sense.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, how would two healthy 30-year-old men suffer from heart attacks at the same time?

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_00]: There were no more answers to gain from keeping them at the crime scene,

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: so they took the pair for autopsies.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: For some strange and unknown reason,

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_00]: medical examiners didn't get to work right away.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_00]: By the time they finally examined the men,

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_00]: it was too late to do a comprehensive toxicology report.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_00]: They were only able to check for the basics, like arsenic.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But even this couldn't be relied on.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_00]: You see, the test wasn't 100% accurate because of how badly decomposed they were.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Investigators felt stuck.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_00]: They had more questions than answers,

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and they were not getting close to figuring out what happened to Miguel and Manuel.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And just when all hope seemed lost, a man named Elcio Gomez came forward.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_00]: He apparently was friends with the men,

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and he told the officers something they were shocked to hear.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Miguel and Manuel died because they were trying to talk to aliens.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_00]: You can imagine the police reaction to that,

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: but it turns out that the men belonged to a group

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_00]: that called themselves Scientific Spiritualists.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Most of the electrical workers in Campos dos Goytacases were part of the same group.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_00]: They believed in aliens, but not just that.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Turns out that their goal was to make contact.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: The group used psychedelic drugs to help them talk to aliens,

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and they believed if contact was made,

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: there would be a blinding light and lead masks would protect them from the light.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Manuel was trying to build a machine that could help him contact otherworldly beings,

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and Miguel helped them.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_00]: The first attempt was dangerous, but not fatal.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_00]: They built a metal machine in Manuel's garden,

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_00]: but something went wrong and there was an explosion.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It was loud, but thankfully no one was hurt.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Manuel's wife even confirmed the explosion did happen,

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_00]: but she didn't know what the machine was for.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: After their first experiment failed,

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_00]: the men moved their work to a remote location.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_00]: They just didn't want to hurt anyone.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Miguel told Elcio that they were building something important,

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and he joined the pair.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_00]: The three men drove to Atafona, a beach town,

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_00]: to try out their new machine.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And as they were preparing it, everything went dark and silent.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_00]: There was a mechanical hum, and the men looked up.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's when they saw an oval-shaped saucer casting a shadow over their machine.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Suddenly, their newly built contraption exploded,

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and the flying object flew into the ocean.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Other residents in Atafona felt the explosion too.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Even the local Brazilian Navy investigated it.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_00]: None of the men were seriously injured, just some cuts and scrapes,

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_00]: but Elcio was sure that his friends died

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: trying to experiment a third time.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_00]: The last words Manuel told them were haunting.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_00]: He was close to taking a final test, and after that test,

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_00]: he would know if he was a believer.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: This obviously sounded like a lie to the police,

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and they decided to look into Elcio a little bit deeper.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_00]: You see, Elcio's story had a few holes,

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm about to tell you all about them.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_00]: The men had no injuries, and Elcio's explosion theory fell apart.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Police searched the men's homes,

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and they did find evidence that the men belonged to the group.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they found tools and scraps from when the lead masks were made,

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_00]: as well as literature from the group.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_00]: This didn't mean much to the police,

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_00]: especially when one of the men's wives told them about a fight with a friend.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And that friend turned out to be Elcio.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Elcio had gotten into some sort of fight with Miguel and Manuel.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Revenge for the fallout of a friendship seemed like much more of a realistic motive.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_00]: An upset friend, not aliens.

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But when Elcio was questioned, his alibi was airtight.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_00]: He could not have done this.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So was the answer really out of this world?

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Were they aliens?

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Six months after the men were found,

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_00]: a man named Charles Bowen connected their deaths to other UFO sightings in the area.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_00]: He wrote about it in the Flying Saucer Review,

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_00]: which believe it or not was apparently a trusted source back in those days.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't just the Flying Saucer Review,

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: two other local newspapers reported about a UFO sighting as well.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_00]: On August 17th,

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Gracina Barbosa Cochino de Sosa was driving home with her kids.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_00]: They were on the main road when suddenly an orange light filled the sky.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Her daughter yelled,

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Mommy, mommy, look!

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And she pointed toward the Vintim Mountain.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Gracina pulled over and turned to where her daughter pointed.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And there was a bright oval object hovering over the mountain.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It had a ring of fire around it and it stayed there for a few minutes.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_00]: She felt uneasy and pulled into the road.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_00]: She ignored the kids' questions on their way back.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_00]: She didn't know what that thing was.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_00]: She just knew that it scared her.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And once they all got inside the house, she told her husband about what they saw.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Then he begged her to forget about it.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_00]: She tried to listen.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But then when the news about the men in the lead masks on the mountain broke,

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_00]: her husband began to wonder.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Did this have anything to do with what Gracina had told him?

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_00]: He told her this, but she didn't want to talk to the police.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: She was a wealthy woman in town, respected and well known.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_00]: She was worried about what people would think if she suddenly started to talk about UFOs.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: She gave in to her husband's begging.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So she went to the police and told them about the orange light on the mountaintop.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It actually happened around the same time that the two men died.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Her talk with the police became town gossip, but no one judged Gracina for it.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Instead, more witnesses came forward.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Another man and woman saw the orange saucer moving up and down Vintem Mountain,

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_00]: but they were afraid to say anything.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Five months before the mysterious death of Miguel and Manuel,

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_00]: an industrial technician in Niteroi saw a UFO.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly like the one that Gracina saw on August 17th.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Charles Bowen wrote about these UFO sightings in the Flying Saucer Review,

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: but he mentioned another very strange case.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_00]: You see, four years before Miguel and Manuel were found dead at the top of Vintem Mountain,

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_00]: another man met a similar fate.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Hermes Luis Feitosa was found dead on top of a mountain in 1962.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: The details and facts of this case are even more difficult to find than Miguel

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and Manuel's case.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Some say it happened on the same mountain, Vintem.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Others say that it was a different mountain named Clusero.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: No one knows the exact date.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_00]: What is known is that Hermes was found laying on the ground

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_00]: with zero injuries and no obvious cause of death.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: He was wearing a handmade lead mask, just like the two men,

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and also just like them, he was in the same field of work.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And although the cases had those things in common,

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_00]: police dismissed any connection between the two.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of odd.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Charles Bowen, on the other hand, believed all three men died of overdose.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_00]: He believed that they had taken LSD25 or Mescaline.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_00]: If you remember our episode of horrible CIA experiments,

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_00]: then you know these are both psychedelic drugs that alter your mind.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Sense of time, self-awareness and vision are all affected.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_00]: In the end, police were left with UFOs, psychedelic drugs, and no real answers.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_00]: The case was closed and no one knew what really happened.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Three years later, an inmate named Hamilton Besani

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_00]: told police that he knew exactly what happened to Miguel and Manuel.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Two of his friends came to him asking for help.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_00]: He would get paid if he agreed.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was a job down in Niteroi.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Hamilton and his friends attended a seance and came across Miguel and Manuel.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_00]: They found out that the pair were on their way to buy a used car and had the cash with them.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_00]: They followed Miguel and Manuel and robbed them at the top of the mountain.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_00]: After taking their money at gunpoint, they forced the men to drink some poison.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And he and his friends left with the money.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_00]: The police were desperate to solve the cold case, but there were too many holes in this story.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_00]: He named the wrong mountain.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't know about the strange documents the men had and he couldn't explain the lead masks.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And even if his story was true, why didn't he and his friends take all the money?

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Why would they climb up the mountain to rob the pair?

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_00]: The truth was that Hamilton had a reason to make it all up.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_00]: He had already spent years in prison and still had a long time left in his 50-year sentence.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to be moved up to a better prison and return for a confession.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So they were back to the beginning with no answers.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Inspector Gomez dos Reis told newspapers,

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_00]: This case is unlike anything we've encountered before.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_00]: We're pursuing every lead, but the more we uncover, the more mysterious it becomes.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_00]: We're dealing with intelligent individuals who leave behind more questions than answers.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Years after their death in 1980, Jacques Vallee landed in Brazil to investigate the lead masks case.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_00]: He was a French scientist and ufologist.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_00]: He believed it was possible that the two men made physical contact with extraterrestrial beings.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_00]: As he stood at the Vintembe mountaintop, he quickly noticed strange things.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_00]: There was no vegetation where the men were found.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It never grew back.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_00]: He collected soil samples and they contained traces of radiation.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_00]: He considered this strong evidence of extraterrestrial contact and even mentions it in one of his most famous books.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Confrontations.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_00]: We may never know what really happened to Miguel and Manuel.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_00]: They truly believe there were aliens out there and they could have made contact.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_00]: When the pair made their first metal machine, the one that exploded in the backyard,

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_00]: there was a blinding white light and powder.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_00]: They believe this was a sign of contact.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_00]: During their second experiment at the beach, they saw the same light and powder.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: An actual UFO.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_00]: They believe they had made contact.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Their mountaintop experiment was their third and last attempt.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And if they believe that they had already made contact, then what were they really trying to do?

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Why did they tell Elcio that they were close, that this was her final test,

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and that after this they could really believe?

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: What was their goal?

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_00]: To be taken?

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_00]: There's so much mystery surrounding this case and I don't think we'll ever find out the truth.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Any evidence that was missed in 1966 is gone.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Possible clues are lost now.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Many witnesses are not with us anymore.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_00]: But still it makes you wonder.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Did they really see beings not from this world?

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Were they right about their theories?

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And what was the purpose of their machine?

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think happened?

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_00]: If you know of a strange story or a haunted place, send it my way.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll leave my contact information in the description of this episode.

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[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much for listening.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Keep it scary everyone.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_00]: See you soon.